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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » [M] Use of headers
[M] Use of headers [message #259555] Di, 25 April 2006 11:10
SeekUp  
I would like to appeal to posters to use thread headers, please. The
"Teaching children.." thread is vast, and contains several diverse
sub-threads, some of which I would like to follow. I understand that
conversations wander, but it would be nice if a clearly seperate topic was
labelled as such.
Re: [M] Use of headers [message #259619 ] Di, 25 April 2006 14:29
Leo Breebaart  
"SeekUp" <seek.up.girl [at] gmail.com> writes:

> I would like to appeal to posters to use thread headers,
> please.

I feel your pain, but while you're at it, you might as well ask
for world peace and an end to hunger -- I think we'll actually
have a *slightly* higher chance of being successful with those
requests...


> The "Teaching children.." thread is vast, and contains several
> diverse sub-threads, some of which I would like to follow. I
> understand that conversations wander, but it would be nice if a
> clearly seperate topic was labelled as such.

In theory I agree completely with you, of course. In practice I
am actually fairly pleased that all this stuff is still mostly
listed under "Teaching children", as it makes it marginally
easier to ignore/killfile the whole sorry mess.

I don't think there *are* that many clearly separate subthreads
here. Just about everything that tries to branch out sooner or
later seems to get swallowed up again by the ongoing efforts to
turn afp into a permanent amalgam of talk.origins, talk.abortion
and talk.religion.

Making appropriate header changes is a sign of folks actually
*caring* about the larger context of the newsgroup and its
readability and the effects that their conversation may be having
on it. It is my personal opinion that if you really care about
afp, you do not participate in (or rather: perpetuate) these
multi-thousand-article vampire threads in the first place.

('Teaching...' has now been going on for over 2600 articles, and
that is not counting the thread it morphed from to begin with. I
am not denying that a 2600-article thread is something that
clearly holds at least *some* people's attention, but I am
claiming that (a) the value of "some" is smaller than you might
think (about half of those 2600 articles were written by only
five people), and that (b) this sort of megathread is *never*
healthy for the entire newsgroup. As they say: the talk.* groups
already exist and there is a *reason* why they are unreadable.)

--
Leo Breebaart <leo [at] lspace.org>
Re: [M] Use of headers [message #259644 ] Di, 25 April 2006 15:18
Kar98  
On 2006-04-25 07:29:21 -0500, Leo Breebaart <leo [at] lspace.org> said:

> ('Teaching...' has now been going on for over 2600 articles, and
> that is not counting the thread it morphed from to begin with.

Hide read messages, mark thread as read often :)
Re: [M] Use of headers [message #259645 ] Di, 25 April 2006 15:19
Brenda  
Leo Breebaart said:

> I don't think there *are* that many clearly separate subthreads
> here. Just about everything that tries to branch out sooner or
> later seems to get swallowed up again by the ongoing efforts to
> turn afp into a permanent amalgam of talk.origins, talk.abortion
> and talk.religion.

Yes. It would be nice to have the occasional Pratchett-based discussion.
<sigh>

> ('Teaching...' has now been going on for over 2600 articles,

Ouch!

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [M] Use of headers [message #259648 ] Di, 25 April 2006 15:24
Kar98  
On 2006-04-25 08:19:50 -0500, Richard Heathfield
<invalid [at] invalid.invalid> said:

> Yes. It would be nice to have the occasional Pratchett-based discussion. <sigh>

Well, it's quite interesting to see just what kind of creepy weirdos
(other than me) love his books enough to participate in afp. ;)
Re: [M] Teaching afpers when enough is enough [message #259665 ] Di, 25 April 2006 15:51
Orjan Westin  
Richard Heathfield wrote:
> Leo Breebaart said:
>
>> I don't think there *are* that many clearly separate subthreads
>> here. Just about everything that tries to branch out sooner or
>> later seems to get swallowed up again by the ongoing efforts to
>> turn afp into a permanent amalgam of talk.origins, talk.abortion
>> and talk.religion.
>
> Yes. It would be nice to have the occasional Pratchett-based
> discussion. <sigh>

Tell you what - why not propose to those with whom you are having these
discussion that you drop it or move it to talk.* or soc.* instead?

I wouldn't mind - I had already resolved to not participate further in
that thread, before it moved back to the stated subject. I'll stop
encouraging it again, now.

I have a feeling this discussion is scaring people away. There simply
isn't much content on afp outside that thread any more.

>> ('Teaching...' has now been going on for over 2600 articles,
>
> Ouch!

Yes.

Note: the text below is not directed at you, Richard, or at least not
any more than it is directed at the other high-volume posters in that
thread.

Given that so much of it is restating the same positions in slightly
different words, or talking at cross-purposes, or, it seems to me, just
trying to get the last word, I think it has far outlived what general
interest it held.

I've followed it, and sometimes, very occasionally, I've found something
worthwhile. Most of it has just been tiresome, though. I realise it's
an interesting and emotional subject for a lot of people - including
me - but it's not going anywhere.

Regardless of whether it's abortion or corporal punishment, it's just a
"yes" - "no" tennis match. A lot of good arguments and enlightening
anecdotes have been given, but the common theme on all sides is an
attitude that says "I reject your reality and substitute my own". (No
pedant points for giving the source of that quote, I'm afraid.)

How about taking a break? Leave that thread for a couple of days, see
if you can find something new to say. Consider how important it really
is to get the last word in, and the likelyhood of convincing the other
side(s) they are wrong and you are right.

The "teaching" thread constitutes roughly two thirds of the posts to afp
in the last week, by my reckoning. I think it's enough.

(Okay, so I have participated in the thread, too. In mitigation, I
think I've avoided tennis, and provided some points not given by others.
I feel no compulsion to reply to every post that's posted in reply to
something I've written, and soon enough I'll just killfile the whole
thing and send a post asking why afp is so quiet.)

Orjan
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Re: [I] Teaching afpers when enough is enough [message #259690 ] Di, 25 April 2006 17:34
sphira9343  
Orjan Westin wrote:

[The recent megathread]

> Regardless of whether it's abortion or corporal punishment, it's just a
> "yes" - "no" tennis match. A lot of good arguments and enlightening
> anecdotes have been given, but the common theme on all sides is an
> attitude that says "I reject your reality and substitute my own".

As I've noticed too. It was annoying at first, but now I've just been
skimming over posts by the main participants. (Only in that thread,
though)

> How about taking a break? Leave that thread for a couple of days, see
> if you can find something new to say. Consider how important it really
> is to get the last word in, and the likelyhood of convincing the other
> side(s) they are wrong and you are right.

The last bit is what caused me to leave this thread, although I have
contributed to it since it morphed into a bullying thread. No-one's
going to step down and say 'You know what, you've completely changed my
mind on that issue...' Some of us may have been given something to
think about, though.
CCA
Re: [M] Use of headers [message #259698 ] Di, 25 April 2006 18:08
David Chapman  
From the Collected Witterings of Richard Heathfield, volume 23:
> It would be nice to have the occasional Pratchett-based discussion.
> <sigh>

alt.books.pratchett is your friend.

--
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Re: [M] Use of headers [message #259705 ] Di, 25 April 2006 18:35
Orjan Westin  
David Chapman wrote:
> From the Collected Witterings of Richard Heathfield, volume 23:
>> It would be nice to have the occasional Pratchett-based discussion.
>> <sigh>
>
> alt.books.pratchett is your friend.

For those looking specifically for [R] discussions, yes. But those are,
I should hope, still welcome on alt.fan.pratchett, too, and we have had
some interesting ones here.

Relevancy should not be discouraged on afp, I feel.

Orjan
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Re: [M] Teaching afpers when enough is enough [message #259710 ] Di, 25 April 2006 19:01
Brenda  
Orjan Westin said:

> How about taking a break?

Great idea. If all goes according to plan, I'll be out of town for a few
days anyway as of tomorrow, so it's no skin off my nose.

> The "teaching" thread constitutes roughly two thirds of the posts to afp
> in the last week, by my reckoning. I think it's enough.

Yes. On a positive note, I was somewhat surprised to see that CP did not
turn out to be Yet Another Everyone vs Richard discussion.

> (Okay, so I have participated in the thread, too.

So, I must confess, have I. A bit, anyway. :-)

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [M] Use of headers [message #259711 ] Di, 25 April 2006 19:00
steelcat  
In article <5qWdnaiDlqVPvNPZRVnyrw [at] bt.com>,
Richard Heathfield <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Leo Breebaart said:
>
>> I don't think there *are* that many clearly separate subthreads
>> here. Just about everything that tries to branch out sooner or
>> later seems to get swallowed up again by the ongoing efforts to
>> turn afp into a permanent amalgam of talk.origins, talk.abortion
>> and talk.religion.
>
>Yes. It would be nice to have the occasional Pratchett-based discussion.
><sigh>

What *is* a Pratchett base?

One
Two
Three
Four
Five
Six
Seven
Pratchett
Pratchetty-one
Pratchetty-two
....

Cat.
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Re: [M] Use of headers [message #259777 ] Di, 25 April 2006 21:33
raltbos  
steelcat [at] atuin.demon.co.uk (The Stainless Steel Cat) wrote:

> In article <5qWdnaiDlqVPvNPZRVnyrw [at] bt.com>,
> Richard Heathfield <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Leo Breebaart said:
> >
> >> I don't think there *are* that many clearly separate subthreads
> >> here. Just about everything that tries to branch out sooner or
> >> later seems to get swallowed up again by the ongoing efforts to
> >> turn afp into a permanent amalgam of talk.origins, talk.abortion
> >> and talk.religion.
> >
> >Yes. It would be nice to have the occasional Pratchett-based discussion.
> ><sigh>
>
> What *is* a Pratchett base?
>
> One
> Two
> Three
> Four
> Five
> Six
> Seven
> Pratchett
> Pratchetty-one
> Pratchetty-two

One, Two, Many, Lots.

Richard
Re: [M] Use of headers [message #259795 ] Di, 25 April 2006 22:40
PleegWat  
Richard Bos wrote:
> steelcat [at] atuin.demon.co.uk (The Stainless Steel Cat) wrote:
>> In article <5qWdnaiDlqVPvNPZRVnyrw [at] bt.com>,
>> Richard Heathfield <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Leo Breebaart said:
>>>> I don't think there *are* that many clearly separate subthreads
>>>> here. Just about everything that tries to branch out sooner or
>>>> later seems to get swallowed up again by the ongoing efforts to
>>>> turn afp into a permanent amalgam of talk.origins, talk.abortion
>>>> and talk.religion.
>>> Yes. It would be nice to have the occasional Pratchett-based discussion.
>>> <sigh>
>> What *is* a Pratchett base?
>>
>> One
>> Two
>> Three
>> Four
>> Five
>> Six
>> Seven
>> Pratchett
>> Pratchetty-one
>> Pratchetty-two
>
> One, Two, Many, Lots.

One
Two
Three
Many
Many-One
Many-Two
Many-Three
Many-Many
Many-Many-One
Many-Many-Two
Many-Many-Three
Many-Many-Many-One
Many-Many-Many-Two
Many-Many-Many-Three
Lots
--

PleegWat
Remove caps to reply
Re: [M] Use of headers [message #259816 ] Di, 25 April 2006 23:11
Brian Wakeling  
In a speech called 4b6j11F101dr4U1 [at] individual.net,
Leo Breebaart uttered thus:
> "SeekUp" <seek.up.girl [at] gmail.com> writes:
>
> > I would like to appeal to posters to use thread headers,
> > please.
>
> I feel your pain, but while you're at it, you might as well ask
> for world peace and an end to hunger -- I think we'll actually
> have a *slightly* higher chance of being successful with those
> requests...
>
>
> > The "Teaching children.." thread is vast, and contains several
> > diverse sub-threads, some of which I would like to follow. I
> > understand that conversations wander, but it would be nice if a
> > clearly seperate topic was labelled as such.
>
> In theory I agree completely with you, of course. In practice I
> am actually fairly pleased that all this stuff is still mostly
> listed under "Teaching children", as it makes it marginally
> easier to ignore/killfile the whole sorry mess.
>
> I don't think there *are* that many clearly separate subthreads
> here. Just about everything that tries to branch out sooner or
> later seems to get swallowed up again by the ongoing efforts to
> turn afp into a permanent amalgam of talk.origins, talk.abortion
> and talk.religion.

The most active sub-threads have actually meandered vaguely back to
the subject line now, although there is still some religious
discussion near the bottom.




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Re: [M] Use of headers [message #259864 ] Mi, 26 April 2006 00:02
Matthew Seaman  
steelcat [at] atuin.demon.co.uk (The Stainless Steel Cat) writes:

> In article <5qWdnaiDlqVPvNPZRVnyrw [at] bt.com>,
> Richard Heathfield <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote:

> >Yes. It would be nice to have the occasional Pratchett-based discussion.
> ><sigh>

> What *is* a Pratchett base?

Well, a Pratchett-base reacts with Pratchett-acids to form
Pratchett-salts. Strong Pratchett-bases are almost completely
hydrolysed in aqueous solution, and are often described as being 'sour
tasting', whereas Pratchett-acids are described as 'sharp tasting'.
However this may be disputed; about the most widely accepted thing you
can say about tasting Pratchett-bases is that you will end up with a
belly ache.

HTH HAND

Matthew

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Re: [M] Use of headers [message #259870 ] Mi, 26 April 2006 00:13
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
Also Sprach Matthew Seaman:

> steelcat [at] atuin.demon.co.uk (The Stainless Steel Cat)
> writes:
>
>> In article <5qWdnaiDlqVPvNPZRVnyrw [at] bt.com>,
>> Richard Heathfield <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> >Yes. It would be nice to have the occasional
>> >Pratchett-based discussion. <sigh>
>
>> What *is* a Pratchett base?
>
> Well, a Pratchett-base reacts with Pratchett-acids to form
> Pratchett-salts. Strong Pratchett-bases are almost
> completely hydrolysed in aqueous solution, and are often
> described as being 'sour tasting', whereas Pratchett-acids
> are described as 'sharp tasting'. However this may be
> disputed; about the most widely accepted thing you can say
> about tasting Pratchett-bases is that you will end up with
> a belly ache.

While I'm not familiar with the others, I can certainly vouch
for the sharpness of Pratchett-acids...

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"[Wolverine]'s in every book. I think he just joined
the JLA, and for some reason he's in the revised
Penguin edition of Little Dorrit." -Joss Whedon
Re: [M] Use of headers [message #259874 ] Mi, 26 April 2006 00:17
alec  
In article <861wvlnwjb.fsf [at] happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk>,
m.seaman [at] infracaninophile.co.uk says...
> steelcat [at] atuin.demon.co.uk (The Stainless Steel Cat) writes:
>
> > In article <5qWdnaiDlqVPvNPZRVnyrw [at] bt.com>,
> > Richard Heathfield <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > >Yes. It would be nice to have the occasional Pratchett-based discussion.
> > ><sigh>
>
> > What *is* a Pratchett base?
>
> Well, a Pratchett-base reacts with Pratchett-acids to form
> Pratchett-salts. Strong Pratchett-bases are almost completely
> hydrolysed in aqueous solution, and are often described as being 'sour
> tasting', whereas Pratchett-acids are described as 'sharp tasting'.
> However this may be disputed; about the most widely accepted thing you
> can say about tasting Pratchett-bases is that you will end up with a
> belly ache.

I find that most Pratchett-fan substances, whether acid or alkaline, are
much more likely to dissolve in alcohol than water. I think most
Pratchett fans are organic.
[I] Pratchett-based (was Re: [M] Use of headers) [message #259878 ] Mi, 26 April 2006 00:24
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
Also Sprach Alec Cawley:

> I find that most Pratchett-fan substances, whether acid or
> alkaline, are much more likely to dissolve in alcohol than
> water. I think most Pratchett fans are organic.

Tell Mr Crysoprase that...

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"[Wolverine]'s in every book. I think he just joined
the JLA, and for some reason he's in the revised
Penguin edition of Little Dorrit." -Joss Whedon
[I] Pratchett based (was Re: [M] Use of headers) [message #259880 ] Mi, 26 April 2006 00:26
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
Also Sprach The Stainless Steel Cat:

> In article <5qWdnaiDlqVPvNPZRVnyrw [at] bt.com>,
> Richard Heathfield <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote:

>>Yes. It would be nice to have the occasional
>>Pratchett-based discussion. <sigh>
>
> What *is* a Pratchett base?

All your Pratchett base are belong to us...


--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"[Wolverine]'s in every book. I think he just joined
the JLA, and for some reason he's in the revised
Penguin edition of Little Dorrit." -Joss Whedon
Re: [M] Use of headers [message #259948 ] Mi, 26 April 2006 08:30
Mixu Lauronen  
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:19:50 +0300, Richard Heathfield
<invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Yes. It would be nice to have the occasional Pratchett-based discussion.
> <sigh>
>
Well, at least with this thread we won't. Pratchett is notorious for _not_
using headers. Or chapters.
--
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Re: [M] Teaching afpers when enough is enough [message #259954 ] Mi, 26 April 2006 09:42
PeterH  
It all started on Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:01:06 +0000, when Richard Heathfield
wrote:

> Orjan Westin said:
>
>> How about taking a break?
>
> Great idea. If all goes according to plan, I'll be out of town for a few
> days anyway as of tomorrow, so it's no skin off my nose.
>
>> The "teaching" thread constitutes roughly two thirds of the posts to afp
>> in the last week, by my reckoning. I think it's enough.
>
> Yes. On a positive note, I was somewhat surprised to see that CP did not
> turn out to be Yet Another Everyone vs Richard discussion.

Hm - I rather got the idea that you were having tremendous fun.


...PeterH
Re: [I] Pratchett based (was Re: [M] Use of headers) [message #259965 ] Mi, 26 April 2006 11:20
David Chapman  
From the Collected Witterings of Daibhid Ceanaideach, volume 23:
> Also Sprach The Stainless Steel Cat:
>
>> In article <5qWdnaiDlqVPvNPZRVnyrw [at] bt.com>,
>> Richard Heathfield <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> Yes. It would be nice to have the occasional
>>> Pratchett-based discussion. <sigh>
>>
>> What *is* a Pratchett base?
>
> All your Pratchett base are belong to us...

*THWAP*

(For great justice!)

--
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Re: [M] Use of headers [message #259971 ] Mi, 26 April 2006 11:48
PleegWat  
Brian Wakeling wrote:
> In a speech called 4b6j11F101dr4U1 [at] individual.net,
> Leo Breebaart uttered thus:
>> "SeekUp" <seek.up.girl [at] gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> I would like to appeal to posters to use thread headers,
>>> please.
>> I feel your pain, but while you're at it, you might as well ask
>> for world peace and an end to hunger -- I think we'll actually
>> have a *slightly* higher chance of being successful with those
>> requests...
>>
>>
>>> The "Teaching children.." thread is vast, and contains several
>>> diverse sub-threads, some of which I would like to follow. I
>>> understand that conversations wander, but it would be nice if a
>>> clearly seperate topic was labelled as such.
>> In theory I agree completely with you, of course. In practice I
>> am actually fairly pleased that all this stuff is still mostly
>> listed under "Teaching children", as it makes it marginally
>> easier to ignore/killfile the whole sorry mess.
>>
>> I don't think there *are* that many clearly separate subthreads
>> here. Just about everything that tries to branch out sooner or
>> later seems to get swallowed up again by the ongoing efforts to
>> turn afp into a permanent amalgam of talk.origins, talk.abortion
>> and talk.religion.
>
> The most active sub-threads have actually meandered vaguely back to
> the subject line now, although there is still some religious
> discussion near the bottom.

I'm not going in there. My newsreader doesn't seem to be able to handle
threads that deep properly.
--

PleegWat
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Re: [I] Use of headers [message #259983 ] Mi, 26 April 2006 13:16
sphira9343  
Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:

> I can certainly vouch
> for the sharpness of Pratchett-acids...

Especially when you turn up with ten books for him to sign, and then
ask when the next Rincewind book is going to be. Double especially
when you do this while he's in the middle of a meal.
CCA
Re: [M] Use of headers [message #259992 ] Mi, 26 April 2006 14:33
geminii  
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:00:11 +0100, steelcat [at] atuin.demon.co.uk (The
Stainless Steel Cat) wrote:

>What *is* a Pratchett base?
>
>One
>Two
>Three
>Four
>Five
>Six
>Seven
>Pratchett

*GROAN*

Argh, that's terrible.
Re: [I] Use of headers [message #259995 ] Mi, 26 April 2006 14:39
geminii  
On 26 Apr 2006 04:16:02 -0700, "CCA" <sphira9343 [at] aol.com> wrote:

>Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>
>> I can certainly vouch
>> for the sharpness of Pratchett-acids...
>
>Especially when you turn up with ten books for him to sign

As far as I'm concerned, the only acceptable way to do this is to ask for
a single signature - either across the combined spines of the ten books
(assuming the format is conducive), or a signature on one book with the
other nine as 'witnesses' :)


-SteveD
Re: [I] Pratchett based (was Re: [M] Use of headers) [message #260062 ] Mi, 26 April 2006 20:24
Andrew Nevill  
On 25 Apr 2006 22:26:14 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach <daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com>
wrote:

>Also Sprach The Stainless Steel Cat:
>
>> In article <5qWdnaiDlqVPvNPZRVnyrw [at] bt.com>,
>> Richard Heathfield <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>Yes. It would be nice to have the occasional
>>>Pratchett-based discussion. <sigh>
>>
>> What *is* a Pratchett base?
>
>All your Pratchett base are belong to us...

No. They are belong to Stacie.

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Re: [I] Pratchett based (was Re: [M] Use of headers) [message #260080 ] Mi, 26 April 2006 21:50
Stacie Hanes  
Andrew Nevill wrote:
> On 25 Apr 2006 22:26:14 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
> <daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com> wrote:

>> All your Pratchett base are belong to us...
>
> No. They are belong to Stacie.

Give yourself a promotion and a raise, faithful minion!

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Re: [I] Pratchett based (was Re: [M] Use of headers) [message #260144 ] Do, 27 April 2006 00:08
Brian Wakeling  
In a speech called jaQ3g.1356$Vn.405 [at] newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net,
Stacie Hanes uttered thus:
> Andrew Nevill wrote:
> > On 25 Apr 2006 22:26:14 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
> > <daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > All your Pratchett base are belong to us...
> >
> > No. They are belong to Stacie.
>
> Give yourself a promotion and a raise, faithful minion!

Andrew! Fetch the promotion!

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Re: [M] Use of headers [message #260219 ] Do, 27 April 2006 04:47
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Leo Breebaart wrote:
> SeekUp writes:

>> The "Teaching children.." thread is vast, and contains several
>> diverse sub-threads, some of which I would like to follow. I
>> understand that conversations wander, but it would be nice if a
>> clearly seperate topic was labelled as such.
>
> In theory I agree completely with you, of course. In practice I
> am actually fairly pleased that all this stuff is still mostly
> listed under "Teaching children", as it makes it marginally
> easier to ignore/killfile the whole sorry mess.
>
> I don't think there *are* that many clearly separate subthreads
> here. Just about everything that tries to branch out sooner or
> later seems to get swallowed up again by the ongoing efforts to
> turn afp into a permanent amalgam of talk.origins, talk.abortion
> and talk.religion.

Even before Easter, I was thinking, "What's got into afp lately? It
jumps from one megathread to the next, with nothing in between." I
agree entirely that one dominating thread or topic is a Bad Thing.

I do, however, agree with SeekUp that it would have helped if the
title had changed with the topic. However, the reasons why people do or
do not change thread titles are probably worthy of some analysis in a
psychology thesis. It's complicated and human.

Speaking for myself, I find it much easier to change the title if I
feel I'm bringing something significantly new to the discussion. But
if I'm not - if I'm merely offering my two centipedes - then changing
the title feels like drawing attention to my post, and the shy, humble
side of me doesn't like to do that.

I wonder if many other people feel the same way.

Anyway, it's best, if possible, for a title to change _when_ the topic
changes, rather than _after_ the explosion...

Adrian.
Re: [M] Use of headers [message #260221 ] Do, 27 April 2006 05:05
Stacie Hanes  
8'FED wrote:

> Speaking for myself, I find it much easier to change the title if I
> feel I'm bringing something significantly new to the discussion. But
> if I'm not - if I'm merely offering my two centipedes - then
> changing the title feels like drawing attention to my post, and the
> shy, humble side of me doesn't like to do that.
..

For me it's like clipping the cat's toenails. I don't mind doing it myself,
and sometimes do, but I wish others would pitch in. And it needs doing so
often that it's really tempting to just put it off. You can always change it
in the *next* post, after all.

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Re: [M] Use of headers [message #260244 ] Do, 27 April 2006 10:23
Mixu Lauronen  
On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:48:37 +0300, PleegWat
<pleegwat [at] PLEEGWAT.leegwater-68.demon.nl.INVALID
> I'm not going in there. My newsreader doesn't seem to be able to handle
> threads that deep properly.
>
Very simple newsreader it is then. Does it really only comprehend threads
that are shallow? Maybe we use too fancy words, or something...
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Re: [I] Use of headers [message #260245 ] Do, 27 April 2006 10:26
Mixu Lauronen  
On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:39:51 +0300, <geminii [at] tpg.com.au> wrote:

> As far as I'm concerned, the only acceptable way to do this is to ask for
> a single signature - either across the combined spines of the ten books
>
Ooo, I have several Terry signatures. All my Discworld books contain the "
" From "Terry Pratchett".

By the way, I was the chairman of the Science Fiction society of Oulu,
Finland when Terry visited FinCon in Helsinki. We gave him shorts made of
- of course - terry, with the word "Terry" in them. I heard they fit
perfectly, and are very handy in winter. :)
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Re: [M] Use of headers [message #260246 ] Do, 27 April 2006 10:27
Mixu Lauronen  
On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:33:21 +0300, <geminii [at] tpg.com.au> wrote:

> Argh, that's terrible.
>
You mean Terryble?
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Re: [I] Pratchett based (was Re: [M] Use of headers) [message #260284 ] Do, 27 April 2006 11:56
Brenda  
Brian Wakeling wrote:
> In a speech called jaQ3g.1356$Vn.405 [at] newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net,
> Stacie Hanes uttered thus:
>> Andrew Nevill wrote:
>>> On 25 Apr 2006 22:26:14 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
>>> <daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> All your Pratchett base are belong to us...
>>>
>>> No. They are belong to Stacie.
>>
>> Give yourself a promotion and a raise, faithful minion!
>
> Andrew! Fetch the promotion!

All: "Oh No! Not the Promotion!"

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Re: [I] Pratchett based (was Re: [M] Use of headers) [message #260285 ] Do, 27 April 2006 12:00
Gideon Hallett  
Ed Weatherup wrote:

> Brian Wakeling wrote:
>> In a speech called
>> jaQ3g.1356$Vn.405 [at] newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net, Stacie Hanes
>> uttered thus:
>>> Andrew Nevill wrote:
>>>> On 25 Apr 2006 22:26:14 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
>>>> <daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com> wrote:
<snip>

>> Andrew! Fetch the promotion!
>
> All: "Oh No! Not the Promotion!"

Promotion, as they say, to glory?

Gideon.

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Re: [M] Use of headers [message #260290 ] Do, 27 April 2006 12:21
PleegWat  
Mixu Lauronen wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:48:37 +0300, PleegWat
> <pleegwat [at] PLEEGWAT.leegwater-68.demon.nl.INVALID
>> I'm not going in there. My newsreader doesn't seem to be able to
>> handle threads that deep properly.
>>
> Very simple newsreader it is then. Does it really only comprehend
> threads that are shallow? Maybe we use too fancy words, or something...

It gets slow when moving in there, and I can't view the post titles
cause 1280 pixels isn't wide enough.
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Re: [M] Use of headers [message #260323 ] Do, 27 April 2006 14:44
Hendrik Schober  
8'FED <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote:
> [...]
> Speaking for myself, I find it much easier to change the title if I
> feel I'm bringing something significantly new to the discussion. But
> if I'm not - if I'm merely offering my two centipedes - then changing
> the title feels like drawing attention to my post, and the shy, humble
> side of me doesn't like to do that.

I just tend to forget about the subject. I hit
reply and compose my thoughts. Then I hit send.
(Then I remember having forgotten to check what
I wrote...)

> [...]

Schobi

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Re: [I] Use of headers [message #260339 ] Do, 27 April 2006 15:20
Arthur Hagen  
Mixu Lauronen <mixu.lauronen [at] kolumbus.fi> wrote:
>
> By the way, I was the chairman of the Science Fiction society of Oulu,
> Finland when Terry visited FinCon in Helsinki. We gave him shorts
> made of - of course - terry, with the word "Terry" in them. I heard
> they fit perfectly, and are very handy in winter. :)

It'd probably also work as deTerence for all the groupies.

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Re: [I] Seeking advice on an email // was Pratchett based [message #260367 ] Do, 27 April 2006 17:27
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Stacie Hanes wrote:
> Andrew Nevill wrote:
>> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>
>>> All your Pratchett base are belong to us...
>> No. They are belong to Stacie.
> Give yourself a promotion and a raise, faithful minion!

I need your advice, Stacie.

The following comes from an email discussion with a friend who will
remain anonymous for the purposes of this email. Male, that's all I'm
saying. I need your advice about how to reply.

[My friend signed off one email with]

# Sincerely yours,

[I replied]

# You mean to say you're denoting yourself to me as a slave? Why,
# thanks. [...]

[He responded]

# I try not to use that expression when writing emails addressed to you
# (for reasons most peculiar, I have to guard my words far more carefully
# when addressing you then when addressing, say, the proverbial Swiss
# banker), but a slip is a slip, and the price must be payed. Will 20
# lashes do?

[I replied]

# Oh, I think I'd outsource the actual whipping to one of my other
# friends (Stacie, the one with the blog at esmeraldus.blogspot.com).

[I've just received this answer]

# You could not even be bothered to whip me in person? Some friend you are.

So, how should I respond to that? Please advise.

Adrian.
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